Wow! The CNN article just riled me! Especially this quote, "Whether schools and their administrators are lying or cheating, or they're simply incompetent, matters little." I will readily admit that some teachers do not perform to the standard they should, but this blanket statement makes it sound s if we are all morons! We do need more teachers that teach because they want to, and we do need stricter discipline in our schools, but to compare today's students to students of forty years ago and not take into consideration the changes in family and lifestyle, well you do the math. Teachers can only teach so much if students are given no discipline or motivation from home. I'm not one of those teachers that expects students to come to school fully educated; I know that's my job, but if I reprimand a child and his/her mother shows no support for my decision, I have lost all credibility and authority in the eyes of that student. Parents do not have to be overly involved or interested to teach their children that school is a place to learn and that certain things are and are not acceptable in that setting. The idea that teachers, schools, and the government must reform education is worthless if parents are not willing to support the education system. Will everyone? No, but you'll also never get rid of the teachers that went into it for the summer off. But, if there were a few more good teachers and a few more good parents and a lot more administrators will the ability to appropriately discipline students we might see a change.
As for "Teachers Paying Teachers"-sounds good, looks scammy, maybe, but not now.
I think you're overreacting to that particular sentence. If your administration covers up failures (by graduating unqualified students, for example) then they do you harm in the long, but more importantly they hurt the kids. Lou has a lot of good ideas. His call to eliminate music and art from elementary education should have gotten you much more riled up! That just shows how important lessons like Lisa's are going to be in the future. Take away art, recess, and music, and Kim's ideas on engagement become critical. Paying teachers well and expecting a lot is a good idea. So is financing higher education at whatever cost necessary.
My two cents: do whatever you wish, but until parents step up and take back responsibility for their children, we will not be fully effective. I hate the idea of legislating such stuff, but it really is becoming an epidemic in the poor community.
Oh, and the teachers paying teachers.....nice, poor teachers now have to pay for the help of peers...where is our sense of community and mutual support? Is it about the kids or is it really all about the benjamins??
OKay Jason, I agree with what you said about art, recess, etc., and those points riled me too, but I was too ill to be prolific when I posted. : ) I guess my biggest problem was the overall tone of the article, and the fact that people blast educators all the time for what, as you said, is a community problem. But who gets the blame? We do. In my frustration over the article I wrote to Dobbs. The following is my message and his response:
-----Original Message----- From: blindsi@hotmail.com [mailto:blindsi@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 2:41 PM To: Lou Dobbs Tonight Subject: Lou Dobbs Tonight
Name: Lindsi Elliott City: Valdosta State: Georgia Zip: 31602 Country: United States Phone: Coming from: TV Subject: $subject View: Negative Webaddress: Comments: In your article, "No summer vacation for our failing schools," you move from claiming that "we all bear responsibility for failing an entire generation of students" at the beginning of your piece to hypothesizing on whether or not schools and administrators are "simply incompetent." Were you trying to ease the blow for educators with your opening statements, or did you believe we weren't intelligent enough to respond to your remarks? You are correct in stating that we need more qualified teachers, but you did not give credit to the thousands of very educated and capable teachers we already have in our schools. You also did not take into consideration the number of variables involved in this equation; instead, you make it sound as if you cannot understand why we educators don't just fix things so everyone can earn higher wages and live happily ever after. If you have the answers Mr. Dobbs, please join the educational field and show us where the money is and how to get our par! ents and communities involved; solve our problems. If you are not in the classroom and do not work with or know our students, please do not assume that you have a quick fix. I assure you, if there were one, even we "incompetents" would recognize it.
Lou Dobbs wrote: I assure you I wasn't trying to "ease the blow" at all....and interestingly, you take out of context my use of "simply incompetent," in reference specifically to the reporting of graduation rates. Why weren't you as offended by "lying and cheating?" And please don't think that because our educational crisis can't be solved easily that there is any reason whatsoever not to begin the effort. And that's what this is all about...like war and generals, education is too important to be left to educators....and far too important to permit the status quo to persist. All the best. lou
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I think it might work with enough brave teachers on board. But I'm not one brave enough to try it first.
By Diana Chartier, at 9:39 AM
Wow! The CNN article just riled me! Especially this quote, "Whether schools and their administrators are lying or cheating, or they're simply incompetent, matters little." I will readily admit that some teachers do not perform to the standard they should, but this blanket statement makes it sound s if we are all morons! We do need more teachers that teach because they want to, and we do need stricter discipline in our schools, but to compare today's students to students of forty years ago and not take into consideration the changes in family and lifestyle, well you do the math. Teachers can only teach so much if students are given no discipline or motivation from home. I'm not one of those teachers that expects students to come to school fully educated; I know that's my job, but if I reprimand a child and his/her mother shows no support for my decision, I have lost all credibility and authority in the eyes of that student. Parents do not have to be overly involved or interested to teach their children that school is a place to learn and that certain things are and are not acceptable in that setting. The idea that teachers, schools, and the government must reform education is worthless if parents are not willing to support the education system. Will everyone? No, but you'll also never get rid of the teachers that went into it for the summer off. But, if there were a few more good teachers and a few more good parents and a lot more administrators will the ability to appropriately discipline students we might see a change.
As for "Teachers Paying Teachers"-sounds good, looks scammy, maybe, but not now.
By blindsi, at 1:46 PM
Ladies,
I think you're overreacting to that particular sentence. If your administration covers up failures (by graduating unqualified students, for example) then they do you harm in the long, but more importantly they hurt the kids. Lou has a lot of good ideas. His call to eliminate music and art from elementary education should have gotten you much more riled up! That just shows how important lessons like Lisa's are going to be in the future. Take away art, recess, and music, and Kim's ideas on engagement become critical. Paying teachers well and expecting a lot is a good idea. So is financing higher education at whatever cost necessary.
My two cents: do whatever you wish, but until parents step up and take back responsibility for their children, we will not be fully effective. I hate the idea of legislating such stuff, but it really is becoming an epidemic in the poor community.
By Fisher, at 5:24 PM
Oh, and the teachers paying teachers.....nice, poor teachers now have to pay for the help of peers...where is our sense of community and mutual support? Is it about the kids or is it really all about the benjamins??
By Fisher, at 5:25 PM
OKay Jason, I agree with what you said about art, recess, etc., and those points riled me too, but I was too ill to be prolific when I posted. : ) I guess my biggest problem was the overall tone of the article, and the fact that people blast educators all the time for what, as you said, is a community problem. But who gets the blame? We do. In my frustration over the article I wrote to Dobbs. The following is my message and his response:
-----Original Message-----
From: blindsi@hotmail.com [mailto:blindsi@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 2:41 PM
To: Lou Dobbs Tonight
Subject: Lou Dobbs Tonight
Name: Lindsi Elliott
City: Valdosta
State: Georgia
Zip: 31602
Country: United States
Phone:
Coming from: TV
Subject: $subject
View: Negative
Webaddress:
Comments:
In your article, "No summer vacation for our failing schools," you move
from claiming that "we all bear responsibility for failing an entire
generation of students" at the beginning of your piece to hypothesizing
on whether or not schools and administrators are "simply incompetent."
Were you trying to ease the blow for educators with your opening
statements, or did you believe we weren't intelligent enough to respond
to your remarks? You are correct in stating that we need more qualified
teachers, but you did not give credit to the thousands of very educated
and capable teachers we already have in our schools. You also did not
take into consideration the number of variables involved in this
equation; instead, you make it sound as if you cannot understand why we
educators don't just fix things so everyone can earn higher wages and
live happily ever after. If you have the answers Mr. Dobbs, please join
the educational field and show us where the money is and how to get our
par!
ents and communities involved; solve our problems. If you are not in
the classroom and do not work with or know our students, please do not
assume that you have a quick fix. I assure you, if there were one, even
we "incompetents" would recognize it.
Lou Dobbs wrote:
I assure you I wasn't trying to "ease the blow" at all....and
interestingly, you take out of context my use of "simply incompetent,"
in reference specifically to the reporting of graduation rates. Why
weren't you as offended by "lying and cheating?" And please don't think
that because our educational crisis can't be solved easily that there is
any reason whatsoever not to begin the effort. And that's what this is
all about...like war and generals, education is too important to be left
to educators....and far too important to permit the status quo to
persist. All the best. lou
By blindsi, at 7:59 PM
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